Comments on: Charisma follow up http://www.danielhardy.com/blog/charisma-follow-up/ I speak usability & developer to make amazing user experiences. Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:47:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: dhardy http://www.danielhardy.com/blog/charisma-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-121 dhardy Thu, 03 May 2007 00:43:00 +0000 http://www.danielhardy.com/blog/?p=16#comment-121 Bill, again you have raised some interesting ideas. But I can see from the post that we are coming from very different perspective. You are looking at it as philosophy where I look at it as psychology/sociology (my major). The argument of free will is a perfect case in point. I feel that I could argue free will doesn't exist. That every action is taken due to some desire to survive. This is an area I know I am virtually alone in as I have had the debate with many others, many times. But it is what it is Again thank you for the great comments and perhaps sometime we can continue the debate. Bill, again you have raised some interesting ideas. But I can see from the post that we are coming from very different perspective. You are looking at it as philosophy where I look at it as psychology/sociology (my major).

The argument of free will is a perfect case in point. I feel that I could argue free will doesn’t exist. That every action is taken due to some desire to survive. This is an area I know I am virtually alone in as I have had the debate with many others, many times. But it is what it is

Again thank you for the great comments and perhaps sometime we can continue the debate.

]]> By: Bill Brown http://www.danielhardy.com/blog/charisma-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-120 Bill Brown Wed, 02 May 2007 07:02:06 +0000 http://www.danielhardy.com/blog/?p=16#comment-120 I still don't understand how you can say that "charisma overcomes the need for effort." (Side note: you also haven't really defined success here. What is meant by success is vital to understanding your point that charisma alone can sometimes lead to it.) You could be the most beautiful woman or the most charming man in the world and that means squat in achieving success. Success here means the achievement of some desired values. Unless you're talking about the bogus Law of Attraction, there are no values attainable without action or effort. Have a good job? You have to actually get the job and then you have to be competent enough to retain it. Write a bestselling book? Charisma might get you the first meeting, but it's not going to get you the contract without some effort to back things up. Even the achievement of a value requires subsequent action to retain it. In answering my attributes objection, you've raised another. Where does volition fall into this? Free will is certainly an attribute of people but it inexorably leads to the idea that the realization of one's attributes requires an act of will. Success then becomes, at root, a consequence of that original thought plus all the subsequent thoughts and actions that lead to the achievement of the success and the continued prosecution of it. I know that your original entry was just some casual musings on charisma, so perhaps this analysis, though appreciated, is unnecessary. I can't help it: I have a minor in philosophy and I see it everywhere. I still don’t understand how you can say that “charisma overcomes the need for effort.” (Side note: you also haven’t really defined success here. What is meant by success is vital to understanding your point that charisma alone can sometimes lead to it.)

You could be the most beautiful woman or the most charming man in the world and that means squat in achieving success. Success here means the achievement of some desired values. Unless you’re talking about the bogus Law of Attraction, there are no values attainable without action or effort.

Have a good job? You have to actually get the job and then you have to be competent enough to retain it. Write a bestselling book? Charisma might get you the first meeting, but it’s not going to get you the contract without some effort to back things up. Even the achievement of a value requires subsequent action to retain it.

In answering my attributes objection, you’ve raised another. Where does volition fall into this? Free will is certainly an attribute of people but it inexorably leads to the idea that the realization of one’s attributes requires an act of will. Success then becomes, at root, a consequence of that original thought plus all the subsequent thoughts and actions that lead to the achievement of the success and the continued prosecution of it.

I know that your original entry was just some casual musings on charisma, so perhaps this analysis, though appreciated, is unnecessary. I can’t help it: I have a minor in philosophy and I see it everywhere.

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